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Conspiracy theories do not thrive in the open. How deep the deception has gone requires reading everything regarding Oklahoma City Bombing and both attacks on WTC.

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Sunday, September 24, 2006

President Clinton blasts Chris Wallace ...

Clinton's saying:

" ... neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden when they didn’t have a single meeting about Bin Laden for the nine months after I left office. All the right-wingers who now say that I didn’t do enough said (then) that I did too much. Same people." ... is true, to the point, but misses a greater point.

Such an action (in this case neocon's politicizing Clinton's "level of interest" in OBL) is political, which is what gets people's (our) attention ... missing that the very same politicization originates *beyond* (outside and above) government with the express intention of manipulating government, and of subverting the power of The People.

If Clinton is aware of it, as surely he must be considering all that he is clearly capable of (finely tuned political animal that he is), then he is either ignoring or dismissing (warding off instead of exposing) the roots of the *action* - which is an *action* I do not suppose Clinton himself is above using to his own advantage.

Clinton attacks here because:

- keeping the issue a "me vs neocon" fight holds the issue to a political level - "a political issue" as you assume it to be
- Clinton has to (is conditioned to) respond to keep you and the rest of us (even CW) from asking the real questions
- the attack draws (subverts) our attention to a phony issue (me vs _____)
- to knowledgeably discuss the *cause* of the "claims" would expose the roots; thus the lie of the "unelected" government (self-defeat)

Clinton IS the "relatively obscure" Arkansas governor who suddenly burst into the presidential race.

Clinton IS one of the chosen.

Time to think more clearly about who does the "choosing" i'n't it ?

Whether Clinton is right or wrong is beside the point while this entire interview is staged (nothing to do with Clinton, CW is a bystander) - a ripe cherry plucked by the "unelected" to subvert the attention of The People from the real issues ... all of which does not make Rupert Murdoch any more of a decision maker.

Knowingly or not, each one plays a role, and is played ...

Monday, September 18, 2006

each hypothesis judged on its own merits ...

According to a Diana Johnstone in CounterPunch ...
http://www.counterpunch.org/johnstone09152006.html


The "spreading popularity of the 9/11 conspiracy hypothesis" is attributed to:

"Distrust and hatred of the Bush administration and of the "neo-conservatives" of the Program for a New American Century (PNAC)"


Johnstone argues that the Bush administration "may well be morally capable of every conceivable crime" ...

"The test of the conspiracy hypothesis is not the character of the alleged conspirators,
but the plausibility of the conspiracy in both practical and political terms."

The "conspiracy" is not plausible, she says, and begins by asking:

"Who profits from the crime?"

Her answer is "the Bush administration can rightly be said to have profited from the crime ... to justify a repressive domestic policy and an aggressive war policy abroad" to which she adds, " ... so did Osama bin Laden [and] numerous other Islamic extremists"

Correct, as far as that logic goes, but then Johnstone derails, saying:

"If both sides profited, one profited opportunistically and the other actually designed the attacks to fit its purpose [1].
So the attacks should be examined to see which set of aims it was designed to serve."
[1. Of course, one feature or conspiracy theories is to stress the connections between Osama bin Laden and the CIA.
Their interests and activities converged in the war against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. But Osama bin Laden's
fortune and connections put him out of reach of effective CIA control. And this would scarcely be the unique instance
of a temporary collaboration turning into "backlash".]

Why does Johnstone think "connections between Osama bin Laden and the CIA" are a "temporary collaboration" ... ?

You see, the difficulty for such "analysts" is inability to look *beyond* the U.S. administration to find the real decision makers. We have known for 30 years and more, thanks to John Stockwell, William Corson, and others, that the majority of "covert operations and activiites are not reviewed by anyone "outside of the group, agency or service which initiated them" (Armies of Ignorance 1977 p 350)

We all DO want to really, really believe that our system of government is still the same old system, still working just as it was set up to work; that the president actually IS the "decision maker"

Has been a long time since that was reality in America, yet to tell anyone who is "old school" will get a response such as:
"I wouldn't believe that even if it was true."
None of us want to believe such stuff, even as we are increasingly aware how true it is.

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I depart from a critical analysis of Johnstone's article to point out what I believe is a major weakness in the 911 Truth Movement - a weakness which sends so-called "debunkers" such as Johnstone into tailspins when their goal is to deflate the 911 Truth Movement.

No U.S. president since Franklyn Roosevelt has been effective in implementing his own policies because anything he arrived with when he first set foot in the Oval Office has been subverted by actions of the *unelected government* - those agencies and their non-government *controllers* which have exercised their power since the end of World War II, and earlier.

The Bush Administration is no more than a tool for those "controllers" and the idea that BA "designed the attacks to fit its purpose" (according to Johnstone) is wishful thinking, and daft. The Bush cabal had no more power than did Clinton: all they could do was follow orders, keep watch on the "perpetrators" (who were tracked for over a decade prior to 911); facilitate their activities, including exits and reentries to U.S. - in other words, "stay out of their way" while tracking them, from Hamburg or Phillipines or Indonesia, and back to U.S., making sure they had acceptable entry visas so as not to attract attention, etc.

The Bush Administration did not PLAN 911 - their role was only to make sure it went down as planned. They were facilitators - not designers.

This is a MAJOR shift in thinking which HAS to occur for ALL of us so that we begin to look at who is really behind current events, behind 911 and other related events of recent decades; for instance, realizing the "official story" of Flight 800 is also a coverup, and why - what was "hidden" by that coverup (800) and how it relates to facilitating what happened September 11, 2001.

If you have not yet read Peter Lance, it is not yet too late to do so ... and then read Jayna Davis' "The Third Terrorist" and you begin to see how the stage was set for 911 - but do not stop there ! Keep going !
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Back to Johnstone: "The targets and the message"

Yes - the very "symbolism of the targets" is exactly why those targets were chosen roughly a decade prior to 911, when the plan at that time was only to crash small, single-engine planes into CIA headquarters and Pentagon, when it was realized that a truck bomb under Twin Towers would not work, and could not be repeated. The Twin Towers had been settled on when it was realized planting a dozen different bombs in NYC area was unworkable. 911 has its roots in Bojinka.

The strategists in all those "think tanks" do not get paid the big bucks for being stupid, and it does not take any genius to realize that the problem of the great white elephant which was the World Trade Center - specifically the Twin Towers - which was not only no longer profitable, but faced multi-billion dollar renovation if it was to remain in place at all ... that *problem* had a ready solution waiting because it was KNOWN that so-called *extremists* wanted to attack it, and if the attackers were successful, maybe SO successful they actually demolished the Towers, so much the better for everyone !

Do not look to the Bush Administration, however, for such activities as setting charges in WTC buildings - look at FEMA: look at the black part of the government; look at the very roots of FEMA, and ask yourself whether FEMA is as "accountable" to the government, to the president, or to the adminstration, as is the CIA ? ... and you begin to understand the *design* of the stage on which the main act of 911 was played out.

Patients diagnosed with late-stage cancers are much more likely to live, and die, in denial - feeling it too late to take aggressive action, simply not possible for them to have a positive outlook:
"I wouldn't believe that even if it was true."

Johnstone is correct suggesting "we in the West might do well to drop the obsession with bin Laden" - a man who was no more "knowing" of what was actually to occur September 11, 2001, or the degree of its success, than were any of the so-called "hijackers" who we can only assume were on board any of those aircraft, though videos *convince* us they boarded, since there is no evidence - no proof they actually did board, or died.

OBL is not living - has been dead more than two years now ... but when he was alive, he only signed on the choices of targets, which had already been selected by others. OBL supplied money to fund operations, wanted U.S. out of Saudi Arabia, wanted to strike a blow against the Great Satan, but even he was surprised at what happened September 11, 2001.


Why all the rush of secrecy to hide and remove evidence from a crime scene ? If 911 was really the ultimate act of Islamic extremists to "bring down the Great Satan" then surely our government would want to make its case against them - including a SOLID *body of evidence* including proof of which plane crashed where (there were abundant video records); presenting detailed, incontrovertible evidence of how U.S. landmarks were damaged or destroyed by the attack (on a level equal to detailing how and where U.S. Navy vessels sunk in Pearl Harbor); sorting out discrepancies in identifying "hijackers" - some of whom may still be alive (since we knew who those men were for years prior to 911), unless ...

Unless revealing the TRUTH about what happened September 11, 2001, would begin to unravel the more than 3000 illegal wars and incursions the United States government has perpetrated around the world, causing the death of more than 6 million people - since the Holocaust.


If we have ANY sense, we will wake up one day to realize who IS the enemy, that we are essentially on the same side as the so-called "hijackers" - we just want our freedoms and rights maintained and illegal government intrusion into our affairs, whereever we live in this world, ENDED.

The "hijackers" were hijacked. U.S. agencies knew who they were, what they were up to, where they were, when they would move ... and they were used - used to serve the purposes of the same Jekyll Island capitalist overlords which have us all (including women) by the balls ... and if you think that makes me a communist, then you do not know the difference between Mani and Machiavelli.

Wednesday, September 13, 2006

why should I care who caused 911 ... ?



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Tuesday, September 12, 2006

erectile dysfunction ...

To me, the idea of replacing Twin Towers with some gawdy spike, however well-built it *may* be, is a wrong statement.

A statement IS what needs made.

16 acres COULD be devoted to OPEN space.

No loss to Mr. Larry Silverstein if that 16 acres was open to all human beings from anywhere in the world; no loss to Silverstein's backers, including TIAA-CREF (just following the money - are you ?) who have all been paid handsomely for the *loss* on their investments (which they would NOT have been btw had the Towers, including Building 7, NOT come down)

What is smart, and what is right (making a right statement) is that people like Dawn and Michelle, as survivors - people who were too close to so-called "Ground Zero" (a term previously used only in relation to a nuclear event, or is that admission in itself) are dispersed to places they might not otherwise have landed, because ...

One of the ways in which the Twin Towers had become obsolete (a white elephant) is that the Information Age no longer requires such centralization of companies clustered within shouting (or courier) distance of each other.

What is smart is DEcentralization in the same way so-called terrorists cannot be attacked easily or "rooted out" because they are not *PLANTED* anywhere.

I do not see how *erecting* another tower on that site will exemplify thinking any different than the sort of thinking which made the Twin Towers a target in the first place.

If you do, I would certainly like to hear your view(s).

What COULD be done with that site is to create a place where anyone can bring their *differences* and talk with each other, learn from each other - a place from which peace begins to grow in this world.

Such a lofty goal which needs no tower for support would be a fine statement.

Monday, September 11, 2006

The Complete 9/11 Timeline ...

In mid-2002, Paul Thompson, a Northern California native and Stanford University alumnus with no previous interest in the subject of terrorism, became intrigued by several stories regarding 9/11 which suddenly appeared in the press—among them, CBS News’ revelation that President Bush was given a Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) on August 6th, 2001, warning of an impending attack by Osama bin Laden in the United States involving aircraft. Thompson found himself poring over news of the attacks on the internet and growing increasingly frustrated with how incomplete the story of September 11th was. He began gathering and condensing every credible fact on 9/11, setting a rule for himself that he would only include what he could find in mainstream news sources, and posted those facts online in chronological order.

Today, The Complete 9/11 Timeline consists of information from over 7,000 mainstream news stories on 9/11, each fact immediately followed by sourcing which links back to the original news article. New York newsweekly The Village Voice became the first to bring public attention to Paul’s work, but he was eventually featured everywhere from the Esquire ‘Genius’ Issue to Fox News. As Village Voice reporter James Ridgeway puts it, “Paul Thompson’s timeline is based on public documentation of what we know—what the world knows—about 9/11. It almost has be taken more seriously than the 9/11 Commission Report because it’s open. There’s nothing secret here.” In early 2004, Thompson finally quit his job at a San Francisco-based environmental protection group to focus on his timeline full time.

The Terror TimelineThe 9/11 families discovered the timeline early on, and it became a highly-valued tool for research by the Family Steering Committee. When HarperCollins published ‘The Terror Timeline’ as a book in late 2004, all four of the “Jersey Girls” wrote an introduction praising it. “Paul Thompson’s exhaustive and richly detailed research has now provided the world with a veritable treasure trove of 9/11 information. If you want to know everything about 9/11, you must read [it],” wrote Kristen Breitweiser. ‘9/11 PRESS FOR TRUTH’ is based, with permission, on ‘The Terror Timeline’, and Thompson served as story adviser to the production.

- http://www.911pressfortruth.com/timeline

Sunday, September 10, 2006

9/11 Press For Truth

The Story

“We felt the country was at risk from terrorists and from incompetence…and maybe worse.” —Lorie Van Auken, September 11th Widow

Following the attacks of September 11th, a small group of grieving families waged a tenacious battle against those who sought to bury the truth about the event—including, to their amazement, President Bush. In ‘9/11 PRESS FOR TRUTH’, six of them, including three of the famous “Jersey Girls”, tell for the first time the powerful story of how they took on the greatest powers in Washington—and won!—compelling an investigation, only to subsequently watch the 9/11 Commission fail in answering most of their questions.

Adapting Paul Thompson’s definitive Complete 9/11 Timeline (published by HarperCollins as ‘The Terror Timeline’), the filmmakers collaborate with documentary veterans Globalvision (‘WMD: Weapons of Mass Deception’, ‘Beyond JFK’) to stitch together rare overlooked news clips, buried stories, and government press conferences, revealing a pattern of official lies, deception and spin. As a result, a very different picture of 9/11 emerges, one that raises new and more pressing questions.

What actions were taken by top government officials who received dozens of specific warnings before the attack? Was Osama Bin Laden and his top al Qaeda leadership allowed to escape U.S. forces in Afghanistan? And what has been the reason for the deliberate obscuring of evidence for state sponsorship? Perhaps the most important one of all: Why, five years later, are so many of the families’ questions still unanswered?

- http://www.911pressfortruth.com/story

Monday, September 04, 2006

On Point: 9/11 theories burst - do they ?

Vincent Carroll would have us believe so in his Rocky Mountain News article:

" With the anniversary of 9/11 just a couple of weeks away, it's time to strike a blow for sanity and, yes, truth. If the polls are accurate, someone you know is flirting with 9/11 denial - or perhaps has succumbed already to the contagious delusion.

The symptoms are unmistakable. For starters, the victim uses the phrase "the official version" when referring to events of that day - or more likely, "the government version" - and utters the words with unconcealed contempt.

Maybe the skeptic has e-mailed you a video of a lecture by Brigham Young University physics professor Steven Jones, or a column by Morgan Reynolds or Paul Craig Roberts, accompanied by a note of wonder: "Have you seen this?"

Or perhaps your friend/relative has sent you a link to one of the dozens of Web sites dedicated to explaining why this or that critical aspect of the accepted version of 9/11 is allegedly full of holes.

There is no time to waste. You must purchase Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts, a paperback just released by Hearst Books, and get it to the afflicted person in time for the fifth anniversary of the terrorists' attack.

Debunking is the product of editors, writers and researchers at Popular Mechanics magazine, and is an expanded version of their March 2005 issue on the topic. Edited by David Dunbar, the magazine's executive editor, and Brad Reagan, a contributing editor, the book provides a sober, concise review of the major allegations and the consensus rebuttal of experts and eyewitnesses. "
Continued at: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion_columnists/article/0,2777,DRMN_23972_4951907,00.html

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I responded to Mr Carroll thus:

Vincent, I am just terribly curious to know what you mean by the term "9/11 denial" ...

Yes, there are "fraudulent claims" and some individuals are grabbing coattails of so-called "911truth movement" for numerous reasons - maybe they feel powerless, betrayed, or maybe just want to start a fight, or maybe derail a proper investigation.

What hurts worst about what happened September 11, 2001 (yes, it did happen) is NOT loss of Twin Towers or damage to Pentagon ... no - it was the LIVES of thousands of innocent Americans LOST forever.

Families and relatives of those victims asked for, even demanded, an independent investigation into what happened that day, but we did not get one.

Instead, we taxpayers paid for a report that is inconclusive because of top-level (including WH) stonewalling, a report drafted by some of the same people who played roles in events leading up to 911 - which may have in fact helped allow the so-called hijackers accomplish their task.

Not everyone is in denial, Mr. Carroll, but there are two brands of "denial" in this issue.

As Americans, and as taxpaying citizens, we have a right to know what happened, and our government has a responsibility to US to deliver what can nearly as possible be established as truth - something made difficult by quick removal of evidence from the crime scene btw.

Muddying the waters further, as both you and PM seem to be doing, will not get us where we need to be in this country.

911 was NOT an intelligence failure since it has been established that U.S. agencies tracked the so-called hijackers for years prior to 911, knew where they were and what doing, even helped them exit and reenter the U.S.

911 was a failure to ACT on what we KNEW... so we want to know WHY 911 happened regardless of the FACT that we knew. We just want the truth. Will you help ?